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有点看头。

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Re: all the you bahalf one kinds of benefit, so all of your speech are not convi

最初由 wangcun 发布
[B]i know a lot of EXE system and a little of MA system, i want to say is : two kinds of system is a excellent system, both have full of function and experience and lots of customer, but in china marker , if we select a system , i think the important indicator is resource . who have sufficient resource ,who will  have ability to care of the project and customer's requriement and give customer good response and service. selection system not care somecase  who win who lose ,you know the relation is also very complex! [/B]


网上确实难得这么深谙此道的人士
得多讲一下故事给大家听听,不然总是以为方案、软件就能成功,太。。。。。。。。

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Re: 请版主谈谈

最初由 leader of scm 发布
[B]听说SSA EXE在上海有个代理商,是台湾公司,技术上比原厂还强呢。 [/B]


吹牛也不打打草稿!代理商和开发商在技术上怎么可能是同一档次!

所能调动的resource也是天壤之别啊!(顺便想了解一下,中外运的MANU项目华诠不知道有没有份啊)

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Re: Re: 请版主谈谈

最初由 vigoro 发布
[B]

吹牛也不打打草稿!代理商和开发商在技术上怎么可能是同一档次!

所能调动的resource也是天壤之别啊!(顺便想了解一下,中外运的MANU项目华诠不知道有没有份啊) [/B]


中外运又开始换MANU?不用i2了?

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Re: Re: 请版主谈谈

最初由 vigoro 发布
[B]

吹牛也不打打草稿!代理商和开发商在技术上怎么可能是同一档次!

所能调动的resource也是天壤之别啊!(顺便想了解一下,中外运的MANU项目华诠不知道有没有份啊) [/B]


实施(implementation) <>    技术(technique)

        技术:开发商一定比代理商强!!!
        实施:开发商一定比代理商强?
中国本地实施:开发商一定比代理商强???

开发商和代理商的所能调动的 resource 是天壤之别啊!
开发商和代理商调动 resource 的成本也是天壤之别啊!

对于开发商而言。非不能也!实不愿也!

唉,都是钱捣的鬼!

开发商和代理商是 partner 不是冤家,大家需要一起成长。不要挑拨这种关系。

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to:vigoro
     老大,你是不是这个行业里面混的?看来不太知道这些项目的情况,华诠好不好我不知道,但是这个项目和华诠的关系不大,你怎么拿人家的案子硬套在华诠的头上?你这和硬要把你老妈说成别人的老婆有什么区别?
     还有个问题,你是不是MA的?

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发表于 2005-6-2 10:33 | 只看该作者
搬个板凳来看看  MA 这个开发商(原厂) 如何调动 “天壤之别的resource” 来救中国的案子。
打架喽!看热闹喽!

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发表于 2005-6-2 10:53 | 只看该作者
看来大家都有点偏离主题了.

我认为最好还是各有不同意见进行发表吧,我是一个WMS需求者,看到你们在楼上吵心里很着急,所以有时有点怀疑你们的吵有什么商业目的了.

所以,我希望能看到更多的关于WMS、SCM/SCE,甚至于ERP等方面的技术性探讨。

关于供应链,理论不少了,但有哪些可以和企业的实际经营、管理真正挂上钩,却不多见,希望各位能赐教;

关于WMS,是各位朋友引入国内的,功不可没,但是,有谁能说说,WMS的真正作用是什么呢?能适合企业吗?前面争吵的几个项目,了解项目的人能说说问题究竟出在哪里呢?有没有成功实施的希望呢?别自己没有做成项目,就把脏水泼向别人。

谢谢各位的见仁见智。
谢谢斑主提供这样一个平台,让我们这些初学者能有学习、借鉴的地方。

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让人怎能不相信这是在做广告

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发表于 2005-6-3 16:18 | 只看该作者
Hi 汉字az朋友

Try to answer your questions:
关于WMS,是各位朋友引入国内的,功不可没,但是,有谁能说说,WMS的真正作用是什么呢?能适合企业吗?前面争吵的几个项目,了解项目的人能说说问题究竟出在哪里呢?有没有成功实施的希望呢?

You said you are a WMS需求者, then you should know what is WMS? If you don't know WMS的真正作用是什么, how you know you need WMS? And I think this is a typical problem for China User. They know they have Warehouse, they know they need the system due to the market competitive, they know if they have no more value-added service for their customers, they may lose the market share in the future.

So before you choose WMS solution, you need to understand what is your biz, what is your current operation flow? If your biz have specific process flow, like Phramacy Industry (that may follow China GMP or other Govenment Rules) or Gamment Industry or related Custom (In China, every port has their own custom rule). I suggest you look for experienced Logistics Software vendor to tailer made the solution for you. If your biz is a quite standard, like 3PL - electricity, frozen food...handle multiple warehouse, multiple storer. The WMS package is much better than tailor made. But that is not 100% choice, you need to consider many other elements. The successful "package" project needs to be considered 4 stuffs with 3 parties - 4 stuffs are "Budget", "Resource", "Time" and "Risk". 3 parties are "Customer/User", "Agent/Implementation Team" and "Vendor/R&D".

Why so much projects are failed, too many reasons are affected. E.g. the implementation site is in Beijing and Agent is in Sheung Hai and Vendor is in US or Singapore...etc. Every one know the RISK how's big. You still want to select this Agent or Vendor. Don't only believe the Sales "Sweet Mouth", you need to think and analyst about the Resource (People and Time), Budget and Risk from 3 parties, not only customer side.

TT or other projects also face to same issues. The final problem is "Budget - $$$". Who bear the extra cost? The extra cost include the changing the scope of project, "Add 1 Want 2"...When can complete the project? To Package Solution, this is critical. One US consultant one manday needs arround USD1,000 per day, To Customer, To Agent. It is a very big pressure for project implementation - "DELAY NO MORE"...even not yet ready also. To Vendor, they have not only 1 case in the year, they have limited resource, if project delay, they need to face the resource problem. Who pick up the extra cost? So be careful when some vendor or agent give you a BIG BIG discount, don'y Too happy eariler. Please analyst the RISKs from every parties, have enough margins to pickup the extra cost or not? Actually every project will have this extra cost, So I think this is normal cost (should put this extra cost in the project amount). In here, I don't want to talk too many. I think you can get my meaning.

Why DC (one of TMS package) failed? The real reason is Resource Planning. They have STRONG Sales Team ( Peak Period, they had over 10 projects on hand) but they have No One support the implementation. To Vendor, that is really sad. Not Easy...not easy...ahhhhhhhhh

有没有成功实施的希望呢? Yes, I think so. But it is difficult. That depends on so many elements. May be we can talk as new topic.

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